Jack Antonoff calls it like he sees it. That refreshing, no-nonsense honesty — coming from one of the most successful record producers of his generation — is one of the reasons we’ve come to love sitting down with him to talk about making music, the industry at large and, most importantly, his spiritual center: Bleachers.

In this session, Antonoff stops by for a wide-ranging conversation around the release of the band’s latest album, everyone for ten minutes. We go back to his DIY touring days, with the band crammed into a van on a musical mission from God.

We also talk about why we should think less about the process of making art and more about the magical experience it creates. Plus, there’s life at his home away from home, Electric Lady Studios in New York. And when it comes to AI-generated music, Antonoff makes the case that authentic art made by humans will always matter more.

This episode of World Cafe was produced and edited by Miguel Perez. Our senior producer is Kimberly Junod and our engineer is Chris Williams. Our programming and booking coordinator is Chelsea Johnson and our line producer is Will Loftus.

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